Whats gone so wrong at spurs and so right at arsenal?

Spurs signed a hell of a lot of first team players at the start of the season. It's going to take a while for them to find their feet and mesh into a unit. A turn around is coming, I'd be very surprised if they end the season below sixth.

First off I don't think anything has gone 'so wrong', I just think Spurs fans were a bit too over excited about spending 100 million on players. Look at it like this, the press praise spending loads on the transfer window because it gives them something to talk about. Newspapers talking about how great Spurs are gonna be was only because they had so much to write about from Spurs including the Bale saga. Now flip this around for Arsenal, we probably had the best form in the second half of 2013 but we were gonna be a tragedy according to the press because we never spent millions. Until Ozil came around and then we became hot shit. Basically, the press sold you a dream and you brought it.

Second, Spurs were average last season without Bale. You team consists of a great goalie, one good centre back and one or two decent midfielders, the rest of the team is quite average. It really shouldn't be a surprise that you lost your top goal scorer and now can't score goals. Look at how losing RVP affected Arsenal in the start of last season.

Third, don't wanna sound like a broken record but integrating 7 or 8 new players is a hard task. Especially when everyone around you has gotten stronger.

Whats gone right at Arsenal? Take your pick. A great mixture of youth and experience, great work in the transfer window, a settled squad with a great manager, a very cohesive squad; there's British, French, German and Spanish factions so everyone knows each other already, Wenger is much more hungry now that winning the league is a realistic target and we have 2 quality players in each position apart from striker. Not many teams can boast to have all these qualities.

And don't troll? Sorry:

For me it comes down to Arsenal added to their squad and Spurs basically built a new squad. It takes time for new players to integrate properly. By the end of the year, I think Arsenal will finish above Spurs (could even win the League) but Spurs will recover and get a Champion's League Spot.

For me it comes down to Arsenal added to their squad and Spurs basically built a new squad. It takes time for new players to integrate properly. By the end of the year, I think Arsenal will finish above Spurs (could even win the League) but Spurs will recover and get a Champion's League Spot.

I really don't think Spurs will get a Champions League spot. Tottenham were after Arsenal's spot in the top 4, but Arsenal now look like the team most likely to stay in the top 4. Out of Arsenal, Chelsea, City and United who do you see Spurs replacing? Not to mentioned Liverpool are a threat now.

The way its going its hard to say. All of those seem definite for the top 4 but this season is full of surprises.  I just have a feeling they'll get a top 4 spot but I could be wrong.

To be fair, what's gone right at Arsenal is Ozil and Ramsay suddenly showing the talent that everyone thought he was going to have a few years ago (until everyone thought his potential was over rated). Those two have been the driving force for Arsenal every time I've seen them play this season. Yeah they only have one striker and he's going well, but when you have these two players giving him the ball and opening things up for him he'd have to be a shit striker not to be scoring. Not shitting on Arsenal, but really those two have been the whole reason Arsenal are doing as well as they are, much like how Bale was really the reason why Tottenham did so well last season.

And that's where Tottenham are falling behind. Soldado is a good striker, but he doesn't seem to get many chances in a game. It's the same with Cisse at Newcastle. If you look at when he was scoring all those goals, you'd also see the Newcastle players constantly trying to get the ball to him in the box. You don't get that now though. He get's about one or two chances a game when he plays. From what I've seen of Soldado it's the same. And without Bale you don't have someone who can just do it on their own.

Far too many new midfielders. You sold 1 midfielder and signed what, 5 other midfielders? They're going to take some time, unlike Arsenal who only had to integrate one world class player into the team.

Tottenham should really go with a 4-4-2. Get Defoe on with Soldado. That's help I'm sure.

Not shitting on Arsenal, but really those two have been the whole reason Arsenal are doing as well as they are, much like how Bale was really the reason why Tottenham did so well last season.

Bollocks, you can't say you're not shitting on Arsenal when you make a statement like that. Arsenal probably have the most solid back four in the league and only Southampton have conceded less than us, saying that Arsenal are doing well is because of 2 players is undermining so many players who deserve credit. I'm not gonna do a run down of Arsenal's players this season because I don't think I have to but the underrating of Arsenal's squad needs to come to an end sooner rather than later.

Arsenal have played very well, but if it wasn't  for Ramsay and Ozil you wouldn't be top, I'd be surprised if you were in the top 4. Tottenham had the best defence before this weekend, doesn't make them that good because they haven't had two great players like Arsenal have.

Arsenal have played very well, but if it wasn't  for Ramsay and Ozil you wouldn't be top, I'd be surprised if you were in the top 4. Tottenham had the best defence before this weekend, doesn't make them that good because they haven't had two great players like Arsenal have.

If it wasn't for Giroud's brilliant link up play we wouldn't be top either, we wouldn't be top if Mertesacker and Koscielny wasn't a brilliant partnership, we wouldn't be top if Sagna wasn't the best RB in the league, we wouldn't be top if Flamini and Arteta weren't solid holding midfielders. I could go on but you get the point. It's not about individuals Arsenal are a cohesive unit, and you're underrating us so much it's actually funny. I think you're mistaking Arsenal for Liverpool.

Also, Spurs signed a bunch of second rate players. You're not gonna get the best if you're not in the Champions League.

Second rate? Really?  Now you're just trolling.

Second rate? Really?  Now you're just trolling.

Well apart from Lamela and Erikson I don't think those other players would improve a top team. I told you Giroud was better than Soldado.

Giroud is having a better season that Soldado. Who's to say next season it won't be the other way around? Form is temporary, class is permanent.

So Hilds, if Spurs fail to get Champions League this season would that be seen as a failure?

Me personally I wouldn't say so, I think it's a transition season and anywhere within the top 6 would be a good place. Hell if you win the Europa League I doubt you'll care where you end up.

The Europa League belongs to us. 😄

From where we were and have been the last 3 or 4 seasons, anything less than 4th is a failure. But, I think we are still progressing. I said before the season that we needed a left back, and I'd also question some of the signings. I think we needed a great starting 11 and then build a fuller squad. We have a lot of very good players, but I'd struggle to name the best 11. We have a very good left winger in lamela, but he's 12 months away from being ready. Townsend is very good on the right, but needs to learn that its a team game. I love sandro centre mid, but paulinho and dembele are so different that we change our style so much depending on who starts. We dont have a settled back line either. Everyone knows who arsenals back 2 are. The only doubt is who plays at left back (probably gibbs). At spurs its up in the air. It worked ea4ly season and kept players on their toes, but its going against us now.

Erikson and soldado were striking up a partnership, and then erikson is rotated out and holtby in and soldado is back to square one.

Inverted wingers arnt helping either.

I still trust avb, and we are only 2 points off our target for this stage of the season, but its been bad for 5 games now.

The biggest thing arse have got right is they are a team. H is right when he says about the cb partnership and flamini. Its all about being settled. I still they they are short in areas, but i can hold my hands up and say, at this point in the season, i was wrong preseason.

I never really got the inverted wingers, it only really works when your striker has great link up play. Soldado looks like the type to run into the box more so just cross the ball in you have nothing to lose. The amount of times I see Townsend run into the middle then shoot from afar because he lacks options is crazy. This is going to effect the morale of the team also and from what I've heard avb isn't a good man manager, but I've only read that so it could be bullshit for all I know.

I wouldn't see Spurs not getting Champions League as a Aurelius just something to build upon, this season is for transition so you can't expect much. Bale did a lot of great things to get Spurs up there and losing your best player would mess up any team  regardless of who's brought in to replace him. There's not one who wants Tottenham to fail as much as me, but I think you'll be one of the top teams for the next few years.

Soldados link play is very good tbh. He's had a hand (or should thst be foot) in almost every goal and is extreamly selfless with the ball.

I do think we need a battering ram as well tho to change the options. Benteke, altho not a goalscorer, would be good to unsettle teams in the air.

Buying more players won't help. You've lost the same amount of games as Man City has, if that helps.

Soldado is so shit, I can't believe Rhys actually said he was better than Giroud.

Soldado is so shit, I can't believe Rhys actually said he was better than Giroud.

Its confidence tbh.  Of he was at arse he would score a stack of goals, and if giroud was at spurs he wouldnt be scoring.

Soldado is a good player, just the wrong type of player for spurs.