Sam Adonis Banned From Indy Promotion After Offensive Promo

What a tit. Although, it's kinda funny if he'd asked for Faggots and Chips in the local chippy he'd have been fine. (Seriously, why do we have a food called Faggots in 2018? lol)

What a tit.

Exactly. There's so many better ways to get heat. At best, it's lazy as hell. He definitely got what he deserved.

Ech. Not much to say/add, just... yeah. Dumb, inappropriate shit.

I immediately noticed the red squiggles before all else, glanced at "recognize" and knew what was up: definitely a Brit promotion's statement that was just plain Americanized. Ugh. Don't pander like that, just spell it the natural way you would.

What a tit. Although, it's kinda funny if he'd asked for Faggots and Chips in the local chippy he'd have been fine. (Seriously, why do we have a food called Faggots in 2018? lol)

I didn't bother making that statement when you showed me the menu from that chippy. It'd be a rather obvious statement for me to make, and I may have said it before. Plus (moreso, in truth) y'know... "Something-something different culture" / "Something-something different meaning." Now you've said it, well... yeah, somebody slap a "(___) sausage" kinda name on it, at least in chippies and the like. Must be jarring as hell to tourists; hell -- even to other Brits, ones who aren't familiar with that kind of sauasage.

Faggots aren't sausage though, they're a kind of meatball. A traditional English/Wales dish for poor people since it's made from all the cut-offs of the good stuff. They're actually not too bad either, I quite like them. Nothing wrong with the name of them imo as it has nothing to do with the derogatory term for gay people. Give it time and no one will even use faggot as a derogatory term. I remember using it in school over 15 years ago, but not now. I don't know anyone that uses that word now apart from a few American people I see in YouTube videos fighting and pronouce it as "faggit", which I suppose says it all. But I get why people probably don't like that there's a food called that.

As for this incident, he could have said so much worse, but at the same time, it's a pretty poor way to try and get heel heat.

And that statement is annoying as hell. Americanised words from an English promotion. It's even telling you it's wrong! Almost as bad as those people that this year think it's acceptable to keep leaving "i" instead of "I". I should be capitalised! It's basic shit people. Or people that don't bother with commas or full stops and say "I don't have time or care for grammar". Well I don't have time to try and work out what you're saying when everything is one huge fucking sentence and doesn't make sense without grammar.

Faggots aren't sausage though, they're a kind of meatball. A traditional English/Wales dish for poor people since it's made from all the cut-offs of the good stuff.

Whoops, poorly remembered on my part.

Nothing wrong with the name of them imo as it has nothing to do with the derogatory term for gay people.

On top of sounding the same, it's spelled the same. I imagine it may pre-date the slur (dunno), but it's surely far less known/greatly outshined. There's a reason no one calls a bundle of sticks/firewood a "faggot" anymore. Ugh. I hate just typing the word, let alone leaving it.

Give it time and no one will even use faggot as a derogatory term.I remember using it in school over 15 years ago, but not now. I don't know anyone that uses that word now apart from a few American people I see in YouTube videos fighting and pronouce it as "faggit", which I suppose says it all.

Some Canadians say it that way too. Sounds... yeah, dumber than the usual. Either way, it's an exceedingly ugly word with ugly intent that cuts like a knife. Have on the receiving end much of my life and it never hurts any less. It's been the last word some queer people ever heard before being murdered. Anyway, on to the text I highlighted (bolded):

Yeaaah... 'cause nooo one nowadays uses "the N word" as a harmful slur that originated from the systematic oppression that still exists (albeit wearing a different mask) today, right? Sorry to be saucy. Look... this shit doesn't just go away after awhile, or for good... and surely not through the magic of time and patience. It takes conscious effort by longtime casual users of it who do not uphold the slur's root intent-- a suggestion I've been fought on by friends-- who argue that they've been using it since they were too young to really understand its meaning and so it's "too hard" to change it. Piece of advice if your friend is queer and/or trans: telling them it's too hard to remove (or change) a word or two in their lexicon undercuts the change--and sacrifices--and pain--they had to go through to be the person you know. I.e. -- If you can call me Paige and never use my dead-name, you can not use "tranny". Change isn't easy and does take time, but it takes effort first and foremost. Not only can gay allies cease casually using/misusing gay slurs/sayint shit like "That's so gay", or cussing out an object that you accidentally drop and break--let's say, a phone--as a "Fucking faggot phone"... you can also discourage such language and behaviour in your friends.

Anyway. That's all.

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[Yeaaah... 'cause nooo one nowadays uses "the N word" as a harmful slur that originated from the systematic oppression that still exists (albeit wearing a different mask) today, right? Sorry to be saucy. Look... this shit doesn't just go away after awhile, or for good... and surely not through the magic of time and patience. It takes conscious effort by longtime casual users of it who do not uphold the slur's root intent-- a suggestion I've been fought on by friends-- who argue that they've been using it since they were too young to really understand its meaning and so it's "too hard" to change it. Piece of advice if your friend is queer and/or trans: telling them it's too hard to remove (or change) a word or two in their lexicon undercuts the change--and sacrifices--and pain--they had to go through to be the person you know. I.e. -- If you can call me Paige and never use my dead-name, you can not use "tranny". Change isn't easy and does take time, but it takes effort first and foremost. Not only can gay allies cease casually using/misusing gay slurs/sayint shit like "That's so gay", or cussing out an object that you accidentally drop and break--let's say, a phone--as a "Fucking faggot phone"... you can also discourage such language and behaviour in your friends.

Anyway. That's all.

I get what you're saying, but I also agree with Ninjak to an extent. No-one I know uses "that's gay" or "Faggot phone" anymore. Not saying people don't. I'm sure there's a ton of stupid people who do. But those phrases were used by everyone back in the day, built into societal circles. Now, most people with an iota of common sense don't do it.

However, I don't think the food name should be changed. I was commenting on the ridiculousness of having a food called that, but I wasn't calling for it to be changed or anything, mainly because, it is possible to have two words with two different meanings and not have them related to each other, even if one is a slur. Obviously faggot is a big one, probably more so in the US (although definitely it's used over here) but like, people in the UK are aware that there is a food called that and an LGBT person wouldn't go into a chippy and be like shocked and offended in horror, because like you said, it predates the slur. It's just one of those unfortunate double-meaning words.

Also, I do believe faggot will not be used as a derogatory term eventually. I don't think Ninjak would say the word will be eradicated, like you said, people still use the N word - but I think the key difference is people who aren't homophobic used to use that word because it was "normal" in society to use it in the aforementioned ways. Nowadays, it's (in my experience) not a thing that happens anymore, apart from with homophobes, and yeah, they'll still use it. So will racists still use the N word. That will never change, because there will always be racists, and there will always be homophobes.

Regardless, this has all gone kinda off topic. As for the topic itself, the dude was an idiot and it will hurt his career. Maybe next time he'll be smarter when "portraying a controversial character" as in my opinion, a good "controversial" character can do whatever offensive things they want, without needing to use the slurs. Those characters go further because they are being controversial without being outright offensive.

However, I don't think the food name should be changed.

That word is right up there with the N word as one of the meanest, most harmful words that exist in 2018. Anything that results in LGBT people feeling less pain from hearing it is for the best. Surely not using that word, even in an entirely different context, is a tiny sacrifice that the cishetero majority can make to try and make their world more accepting to the oppressed LGBT minority.

If this classic Australian candy which I grew up with can change its name, surely this meatball can too. 🙂

However, I don't think the food name should be changed.

That word is right up there with the N word as one of the meanest, most harmful words that exist in 2018. Anything that results in LGBT people feeling less pain from hearing it is for the best. Surely not using that word, even in an entirely different context, is a tiny sacrifice that the cishetero majority can make to try and make their world more accepting to the oppressed LGBT minority.

If this classic Australian candy which I grew up with can change its name, surely this meatball can too. 🙂

Dude, we still use the word "fags" in Britain for cigarettes to this day. Not on branding, but in general conversation, that's what we call them, that's what we've always called them. Same with the food. Context is everything. If people wanna pretend when I'm talking about food or cigarettes that I'm being homophobic, that's their problem. I don't live to please the political correctness police.

No-one in Britain is going into a chippy, seeing faggots for sale, and being offended. It's common knowledge that it's a thing (and it has been since the 1850s). Might be a bit of a shock to tourists, but they'll just have to get over it.

Context matters, no matter how many times people say it doesn't.

I don't really care if it gets changed or not, but it doesn't "need" to be and people will probably still call them faggots if that's what they've always called them.

Dude, we still use the word "fags" in Britain for cigarettes to this day. Not on branding, but in general conversation, that's what we call them, that's what we've always called them. Same with the food. Context is everything. If people wanna pretend when I'm talking about food or cigarettes that I'm being homophobic, that's their problem. I don't live to please the political correctness police.

No-one in Britain is going into a chippy, seeing faggots for sale, and being offended. It's common knowledge that it's a thing (and it has been since the 1850s). Might be a bit of a shock to tourists, but they'll just have to get over it.

Context matters, no matter how many times people say it doesn't.

I don't really care if it gets changed or not, but it doesn't "need" to be and people will probably still call them faggots if that's what they've always called them.

It's pretty common knowledge In North America that cigarettes are "fags" in Britain. I'm not calling for that to go away. I'd *like* it, but I'm not fighting it, either.

I mark a difference—mainly for British society/in this scenario—between "fag" and "faggot". Even with the meatball's existence, I'm willing to bet you've heard way more people use the derogatory slang than the name of the meatball. Now, on to the next point on it...

This point is specifically about those words when used in writing. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't *think* "fag(s)" turns up in readily visible advertising in Britain, does it? If it does... yeah, I have a problem with that. There's a neutral alternative readily available that isn't jarring to people; those people including, I don't doubt, some Brits. Now, in terms of "faggot" written in ready view on a menu and the like. That actually does trouble me. Shit isn't always as simple as,

Might be a bit of a shock to tourists, but they'll just have to get over it.

I have a problem with the overly simplistic "get over it". As I said, the derogatory form for which the word/its shortened version is/are best known can be and has been not only jarring, but scarring. Even traumatic, in some situations. So I see two benefits here: considering, for example, the chippy menu you showed me, unfamiliar tourists wouldn't have to be confused/misinterpret the use of the term on a menu as a crude, tasteless joke and avoid the place/ask what the product is while using a word they're not comfortable with. I'm not used to being able to get meatballs at a chip shack, and the option would sound interesting to me if I saw it presented. Just writing "faggots" exempts me from ready knowledge of that option being on the menu. Hell, I incorrectly recalled "faggots" as some kind of sausages. Clarity aids sale. So, you might say, well, it could say "Faggots (traditional meatballs)". Personally, I think that's an improvement for multiple areas of clarity. In terms of that word being used publicly—readily visible, in writing, specifically—still carries too much weight for myself and, I'm sure, many others to not be thrown off, upset, or even distressed at.

Dude, we still use the word "fags" in Britain for cigarettes to this day.

Do Aussies not? Genuinely asking. I do not know. Any case, I like that the candy cigarette product (that's what it was, right?) Re showed us has changed the name.

I think one of the tricky things here is that it's easier (for those of us who, y'know, think) for people to apply context to the verbal application of a multi-meaning word, than it is to readily apply the right context to a written, publicly displayed word when no context is given. Sure, to most Brits, they know there's a certain traditional kind of meatball preparation with a name that's become much more known as a harsh term of intolerance. I don't expect the term to go away in that context and—much as I may want to—wouldn't ask for such change. But does it need to be plastered on a menu with zero context? It benefits no one and can confuse/distress. If one really insists on having the exact type of meatball designated—if it's the only kind made at the specific chippy/restaurant/greasy spoon/whatever—maybe we can agree it could benefit from a bit of context for those of us who are unaccustomed and/or uncomfortable? Y'know—"Faggots (traditional meatballs)". Even just adding "meatballs" in brackets goes a long way. Those unfamiliar wouldn't have to ask what the deal is. (Or try to, somehow, if they wish not to say it aloud.) I'm not comfortable using that word out loud—I have in the context of debate/example—and it hurts. Hell, it stings to write it, honestly. I'm only doing it in a very specific context. But words don't always come with context, and could really use some when we all know its harmful application, but not its harmless one.

It's pretty common knowledge In North America that cigarettes are "fags" in Britain. I'm not calling for that to go away. I'd *like* it, but I'm not fighting it, either.

I mark a difference—mainly for British society/in this scenario—between "fag" and "faggot". Even with the meatball's existence, I'm willing to bet you've heard way more people use the derogatory slang than the name of the meatball. Now, on to the next point on it...

This point is specifically about those words when used in writing. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't *think* "fag(s)" turns up in readily visible advertising in Britain, does it? If it does... yeah, I have a problem with that. There's a neutral alternative readily available that isn't jarring to people; those people including, I don't doubt, some Brits. Now, in terms of "faggot" written in ready view on a menu and the like. That actually does trouble me. Shit isn't always as simple as,

It doesn't matter how many people use the slur, it doesn't take away from an entirely different-meaning that pre-dates a slur. And your personal feelings on it doesn't change anything either. I can see why you would be taken aback by it, but you can't expect Brits to just change it because you don't like the word.

I have a problem with the overly simplistic "get over it". As I said, the derogatory form for which the word/its shortened version is/are best known can be and has been not only jarring, but scarring. Even traumatic, in some situations. So I see two benefits here: considering, for example, the chippy menu you showed me, unfamiliar tourists wouldn't have to be confused/misinterpret the use of the term on a menu as a crude, tasteless joke and avoid the place/ask what the product is while using a word they're not comfortable with. I'm not used to being able to get meatballs at a chip shack, and the option would sound interesting to me if I saw it presented. Just writing "faggots" exempts me from ready knowledge of that option being on the menu. Hell, I incorrectly recalled "faggots" as some kind of sausages. Clarity aids sale. So, you might say, well, it could say "Faggots (traditional meatballs)". Personally, I think that's an improvement for multiple areas of clarity. In terms of that word being used publicly—readily visible, in writing, specifically—still carries too much weight for myself and, I'm sure, many others to not be thrown off, upset, or even distressed at.

First you wanted the name changed, now you want it clarified. Meanwhile, no-one in Britain is protesting it or "offended" because they know what it is. If you want clarification, ask the person at the counter. If you don't want to ask them because you don't like saying the word, then you're intentionally choosing to be awkward. Just ask them. And I don't think it would aide sales either, because like I said, everyone knows what a faggot is.

Dude, we still use the word "fags" in Britain for cigarettes to this day.

I think one of the tricky things here is that it's easier (for those of us who, y'know, think) for people to apply context to the verbal application of a multi-meaning word, than it is to readily apply the right context to a written, publicly displayed word when no context is given. Sure, to most Brits, they know there's a certain traditional kind of meatball preparation with a name that's become much more known as a harsh term of intolerance. I don't expect the term to go away in that context and—much as I may want to—wouldn't ask for such change. But does it need to be plastered on a menu with zero context? It benefits no one and can confuse/distress. If one really insists on having the exact type of meatball designated—if it's the only kind made at the specific chippy/restaurant/greasy spoon/whatever—maybe we can agree it could benefit from a bit of context for those of us who are unaccustomed and/or uncomfortable? Y'know—"Faggots (traditional meatballs)".

There's plenty of context. 1) it's a food menu. 2) it's listed as a meal 3) it has all the rest of the food that comes with it on the menu and 4) anyone with an iota of common sense knows anything on a menu, despite what it's called, isn't an attack of any gay person who happens to be walking in the chippy. Would they maybe be taken aback at first glance? Maybe. If they went on to act like they thought that the owners of the chippy wrote a gay slur on their menu to offend gay people, then I would say they obviously didn't think that was really what was happening and are just trying to cause a scene.

Even just adding "meatballs" in brackets goes a long way. Those unfamiliar wouldn't have to ask what the deal is. (Or try to, somehow, if they wish not to say it aloud.) I'm not comfortable using that word out loud—I have in the context of debate/example—and it hurts. Hell, it stings to write it, honestly. I'm only doing it in a very specific context. But words don't always come with context, and could really use some when we all know its harmful application, but not its harmless one.

If you physically can't say the word, you could point at the menu, spell it out, or a bunch of other ways. The reality is anyone who has the common sense to enquire would know that it's nothing offensive. If they choose not to ask or find out any more information and leave the shop assuming it's a slur, then that's their problem.

Our local paper has used fag in headlines instead of cigarette. You really don't hear faggot anymore over here, which is probably why his guy saying it was a bit of a shock. Really can't remember the last time I heard anyone say it. Fag is 99% of the time used to reference cigarettes.

Here you go... I got bored and found them
Fifth paragraph - https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/p … ng-1370469
Headline - https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/p … gs-1866992

You also don't find anyone over here complaining about the food faggot being called faggot. No one. Remember, although our culture's are similar, they're different in may ways as well (ie gun laws and the size of the country)

I am no longer participating in this conversation, so people know definitively. This isn't out  upset *at* anyone or anything; just can't keep seeing that word anymore. Other than, I think, Re, no one talking on this can really grasp the pit that forms in my stomach around that word. I pray you never do. A word should not have such power over one's emotions or physical comfort.