Does anyone watch American sports on 4W?

Every championship in any sport in America is consider "world" championships. We're arrogant fucks

What is weird is the WWE & World titles. the WORLD is bigger than the WWE... unless I am mistaken.

Maybe the wwe title is for the WWE UNIVERSE... which is still smaller than the world... or is it?

WWE was first created in the United States. There for, even the World is not big enough. Bc us Americans are arrogant fucks!

but the wwe title was actually caused when the wwwf broke off from the nwa. way way back. the WORLD title that the wwe is basing the 'world' title on is WAY older... but nwa/wcw lost the war, so...

but the wwe title was actually caused when the wwwf broke off from the nwa. way way back. the WORLD title that the wwe is basing the 'world' title on is WAY older... but nwa/wcw lost the war, so...

If you want to argue semantics, the WWE title represents "only" the WWE but the WWE represents the whole world anyway since it's World Wrestling Entertainment.

But yeah, the world heavyweight title was the top belt of the NWA era, while a few territories tried to replicate it with promotion-specific titles in place of a world title. So you could say the big gold is a bigger deal, but you'd be hard pushed to find anyone who still believes that these days. Older, but not bigger.

As for American sports calling titles world titles, I don't really mind so much since it's not like any other country cares anyway. You might get a Japanese team or two playing baseball and I hear basketball is pretty big in Spain, but really it's pretty localised. It would be nice to see an American football "world cup" though.

Personally, i prefer to have a company have their top title be the (company name) title - ie. WWE Champion, John Cena. 'World' title is so overplayed. It's been done to death. Even WCCW in texas had a 'World' title. WCW had 2 'World' titles for a while - plus the WORLD Television title.

Is the FCW title a 'world' title? Seriously, I'm asking.

For that matter, was the Smokey Mountain Wrestling title a World title? Again, Seriously, I don't remember.

To go a step further, "Intercontinental" encompasses every continent on the globe which would be the entire world. That being said, unless someone from Atlantis come in to challenge for the WWE or World titles, they are essentially the same title 3 times over.

To go a step further, "Intercontinental" encompasses every continent on the globe which would be the entire world. That being said, unless someone from Atlantis come in to challenge for the WWE or World titles, they are essentially the same title 3 times over.

Intercontinental just means "between continents," so it could only refer to two. That said, the side plates list all seven continents, so presumably the only difference between the IC and world titles is that the world champion is also champion of the oceans. That's two-thirds of the world's surface, big difference.

The European belt was a weird one. The US is even stranger.

I love how this topic started off about American sports and has gotten hijacked into a wrestling topic. Haha. Gotta love 4W.

Cricket is slow burning drama at its best. No argument. In its purest form, cricket is amazingly entertaining and a brilliant example of how slow progression of a game over 5 days can create some of the best drama in any arena, not just sport. Same goes for Golf but my knowledge of golf is limited to the Majors really. Cricket sucks when it is cheapened, like in 20/20 cricket. I think 20/20 cricket is a bad way of modern superpowers trying to reclaim the sport from its former colonial masters. India, Pakistan, Australia and West Indies are shining examples of countries who have dominated the shorter forms of the game but have struggled to maintain dominance over a long period of time (Australia is an exception, obviously). I'm not counting the West Indies team of the 70-90s because they were essentially a ODI team; playing like one, acting like one and dominating like one.

I can see the appeal of baseball but it's not for me. It's similar to cricket (the attitude, anyways) but unlike cricket, it's filthy. I think it's a general thing with American sports that to be at the top, you have to abuse steroids in some way. Maybe someone can clear this up but that's what I get anyways. Baseball players are in horrid shape too, generally speaking. Some of them could pass for Darts players if they put on a Hawaiian shirt and chose some garish song to play as an entrance theme.

As for American football, me and Mordy (or was it BPN? One of the two definitely) discussed on MSN ages ago about American footballers and their incredible short distance sprint abilities. My side of the argument still stands; anyone can run a solid short distance sprint and these guys are no exception. It's how they feel afterwards which is the problem and makes anyone NOT American (generally speaking) find it hard to take them seriously. These guys, from their College/Uni years, pump themselves with steroids to boost their chances and their diets are full of shitty foods, very very few of them have a strict regimen. These 300lbs+ guys might run short sprints quickly but they look like shit after a couple sprints, most definitely because under that flabby muscle, lies a morbidly obese man with developing heart problems.

I think it's a cultural thing too. As previously said, Americans have a short attention span. That's why they hate European films and love the blockbuster films (topic for another thread) and in terms of sport, the more action that's happening, the better. European hockey isn't nearly as violent as North American hockey, European basketball doesn't have many high-scoring games and about a 1/10 of the glamour (the constant zooming into famous fans in the NBA is a piss-take to end all piss-takes) which is fine and our popular sport, Football, rarely has high scoring games (although La Liga and Bundesliga had a load of them last season thanks to Bayern Munich, Real Madrid and Barcelona). Not to offend but Europeans want more to a game than just goals. Europeans appreciate wonderful skill, dominance of one man/woman over the other in a given position and the spectacle in general. American traditions like half-time concerts, performances and cheerleaders get booed here, I remember Sylvester Stallone getting boos when he paraded how he was an Everton 'fan'. It's a cultural thing, Americans I think want a lot out of their time. The more goals and points in a given amount of time, the better. Shame that's the case in my opinion but I can understand why.

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I cant really disagree with anything you have said, it pretty much sums up well the differences between the appreciation Europeans have to sport compared to Americans.. 

although I am guilty of sitting and watching The Ashes etc, I still stand by my comment that Cricket is the only game you can play for  whole days and still end up a bloody draw haha..

That was a horribly generalized take on Americans and sports. To say that we don't appreciate skill and strategy is bullshit. Sure, we demand the most bang for our buck but that bang can come in various forms. There is a skill and strategy to every sport that is played. There are just some sports that aren't (for my Brits out there) my cup of tea. The pick and roll in basketball is such a simple play but only certain teams can pull it off to perfection. In American Football, it's not all about the 40 yard dash. There are guys who can keep their full speed for the full 100 yards and I don't care who you are, that shit is impressive. Then on the steroid front, not every athlete in America is on the juice and there are many successful American athletes who take care of their body and have a regimented diet and work out plan that doesn't involve banned substances. I have respect for all true athletes and that it would even be said that all our athletes are all on something is completely biased against Americans. Like no European guys are juicing? Gimmie a break.

Thank you Mikey. We don't appreciate skill lol. We just run real fast for a short period. Wow. Guys who only have fast 40 yard dashes, aka a "sprint" never do shit in the NFL. You have to have ALOT more then speed and if you're actually a good football player, you don't even need to be the fastest.

Football is all about game planning and execution. Some of the biggest and fastest guys fizzle out bc the can't get open, or read defensive coverages, or a million other variables. If your argument were true....Brock Lesnar would have been a Hall of Fame linebacker with the Minneasota Vikings, but he got cut.

Lets face it. You don't know what you're talking about, just like I really don't when I speak about real football. I just prefer my football and found it funny when my sport was called boring from a soccer fan. But I understand and even agree with the cultural aspect completely

Like no European guys are juicing? Gimmie a break.

It's taken quite strictly over here. Pretty strict on testing as well and the testing happens often to get out people taking anything.

There was a guy banned for 2 years in the bottom division of professional football (3 leagues below the Premiership) the other day as he'd taken a pain killing injection that contained a small amount of a certain substance - it wasn't an illegal one, but one banned by sport players. Didn't even know it was in the injection but he's banned anyway.

There is so much untraceable shit out there now man it's ridiculous

Drug testing is a flawed system as a whole. People lose gold medals years after the fact because something came out about them using illegal substances and that is in the olympics. Juicers are everywhere.

I like Basketball, I watch it if I can but I never finish a game because it feels so repetitive. The main problem with it is that it's not a team sport as it seems individual players and celebrities in the crowd are the most important, However, they do that a lot with football too. For example, when Pique was sent off the other day an they put the camera on Shakira (although they ae going out) or when Jay Z and Chis Matin wee at the Arsenal.

I actually agree. I can't watch basketball, well except the Sixers. Which has been painful as of late and will be for awhile. Although the last 2 mins (which can feel like an hour with stoppages) of close games can be pretty entertaining. When it comes to basketball, I just prefer the NCAA tournament.

Juicers are everywhere, there is no denying. But I think it's fair to say they are a lot more common in America. Honestly, it's rare for footballers to be tested positive and when they are they are punished very harshly.

I don't think, as Imty said, that Americans don't appreciate skill and just want high scores. That's a very obtuse way of looking at it. It's true, American sports are usually high scored games (American Football, Basketball) but that's just the nature of those games. European Football is completely different; high scores are few and far between and most of the game consists of the constant battle to get a goal. If every European Football game was 10-0 it would be ridiculous, in the same way that it would be ridiculous for every Basketball game to end 0-0. Whether the game is high scoring or low scoring, it doesn't matter. Each sport has its own style, I suppose. We just prefer different sports in different cultures.

Yes, I love European Football and there's not a single American sport I would like to watch on a regular basis but to say Americans don't appreciate skill and all Americans have a short attention span is extremely ignorant.

I agree with the scoring point. Whenever I argue with someone about basketball that's one of my points. I don't like how often you can score.

I love American football but my favorite sport is hockey. Where basketball is too much scoring and soccer isn't enough, I love hockey bc it's in the middle. You'll get your 7-5 games and your 2-1 games and even shutouts. Also nothing beats playoff hockey, especially OT.