Star Wars: Rogue One

I thought it was good. Didn't need the text of classic story as it was telling something different from the main story arc. Was a totally different kind of film showing the side of Star Wars that we haven't seen before. As one review put it, we finally have a film that puts the Wars into Star Wars.

Even though James Earl Jones is 85, I didn't think he sounded that old myself, but then it's tough to tell given the voice modulator. Will give you the suit though. I thought that maybe it could be an early one, but then remembering the time frame it should have looked better. The suit in A New Hope looked better and that was like 40 years ago and it should have been the same suit (and if it was, then it's not aged well and they should have rebuilt it to look like the original). I loved seeing him in full on beast mode at the end though. Need to see more of that.

Good film though. After the original trilogy, I'd put this one next. They'll never be able to top the original trilogy.

Saw it today. I'm not a huge fanboy and stuff but I know enough...this was tough to follow and the characters were all cold to each other...weren't endearing at all to me or each other.

I liked VII, but still think it's tough to even approach the originals. It seems like they're just taking bad guys and their weapons and just doubling them in size and power. It takes away from the original Death Star. Same was done with the new Independence Day flick. Really couldn't come up with a different name?

Lazy dialogue and barely any facial expressions. I was unimpressed but I'm also not Siskel & Ebert.

Last edited by Fish (Mon-26-Dec-2016 21:58:08)

Finally saw this last night. Personally I really enjoyed it. I get that the characters were a little cold and that development was stinted, but it was a war story and Andor was an intelligence officer who was doing some pretty despicable things, so of course he's gonna be cold, same with Jen Erso. She was a member of a terrorist cell for more than a decade probably, so again, she's gonna be emotionally stunted too... Anyway, these issues are apparently more explored in the novelisation of the film, which I do intend to read as soon as I can.

I loved the action in this film, and I genuinely though Darth Vader to be terrifying at the end. I was also very happy that they got James Earl Jones back to voice Vader. I also didn't really notice any difference in the voice from previous performances, so I think that could be in the ear of the beholder really :-)

All in all I enjoyed this film. Yes there were some issues, but over all it was solid. 7.5/10 for me

There were some good parts for sure.  Darth Vader's killing scene was bonkers and I would definitely hope for more of that in the next movie.  I would've liked a little more friendly interaction and maybe a sense of urgency regardless of the history of the characters seeing as how their entire existence was at stake.

I thought it was a cheap cop-out win condition too.  It was more or less the same premise as the original trilogy where the Death Star was built with one glaring flaw and they actually get the blueprints from the same place as the original trilogy (minus ewoks unfortunately!)

I was mainly confused for two reasons: one - how is this story connected to any of the other movies other than the passing reference of The Clone Wars by that one guy from Sons of Anarchy (and the Clone Wars?) And two - why the hell would you spend two hours building up all of those characters to simply kill them all?  I mean...at least one needs to survive in order to tell the story.

The coolest thing about it was the ambiguous ending and the constant table-turning in the last 20 minutes of the movie.  I was sober through the whole movie, and I'm still not really sure who won in the end hahaha!

I was mainly confused for two reasons: one - how is this story connected to any of the other movies other than the passing reference of The Clone Wars by that one guy from Sons of Anarchy (and the Clone Wars?) And two - why the hell would you spend two hours building up all of those characters to simply kill them all?  I mean...at least one needs to survive in order to tell the story.

It was the prequel to A New Hope, Fish. Literally set just before the opening scene of Star Wars, showing how the rebels got the Death Star plans and why it has such a flaw in its design.

With the time frame of this film and Episode IV, none of them could really survive as none of them were in the first Star Wars. The director actually spoke about that recently where he said that the plan wasn't originally to kill them all off because it's a Disney film and they might not like everyone dying, but Disney gave them the go ahead mentioning that none of them are in the first Star Wars to makes sense to have none survive.

You could say that the rebels won since they succeeded in getting the plans, but they also showed the harshness of war in that the winner is questionable.

Wow, so that's weird as hell.  In the timeline, it should go:

I, II, III, VIII, IV, V, VI, VII, IX?

They've already fucked up casual fans' heads with the whole prequel to original trilogy shit 15 years ago, now you're saying that the movie I watched this year is a sequel to the trilogy of 15 years ago and a prequel to the trilogy of 40 years ago?????

I thought I was out of acid.

Last edited by Fish (Thu-29-Dec-2016 19:41:50)

4,5, and 6 were made first.

Then 1,2,3 were made (prequel).

Then #7 was made last year.

Rogue One is in the middle of 3 and 4.

Wow, so that's weird as hell.  In the timeline, it should go:

I, II, III, VIII, IV, V, VI, VII, IX?

Nope. Timeline wise it will go I, II, III, Rogue One, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, IX

There's also set to be a Han Solo film set before Rogue One plus another one.

Rogue One doesn't have a number for it Fish, it's a stand alone film from the episodes. SO we have Star Wars Episode VIII to look forward to next year.

Disney is gonna whore Star Wars out so bad soon lol.

To be fair, Disney aren't really doing anything new as there are so many books available to read based in the Star was Universe. Personally, I'm very happy to see more stories brought to the big screen. There's a whole galaxy to explore and the Episodes only show us a tiny shot of what's been going on there.

Rogue One is just a "story" and supposedly not official cannon. The only cannon ones have a number associated with them along with the scroll at the beginning.

Consider Rogue One to be like a story told by Grandpa Simpson. You know there was a war, you know he was old enough to be in it, you're just not sure there was a fighting Hellfish battalion...

To be fair, Disney aren't really doing anything new as there are so many books available to read based in the Star was Universe. Personally, I'm very happy to see more stories brought to the big screen. There's a whole galaxy to explore and the Episodes only show us a tiny shot of what's been going on there.

I think people are far more upset that Disney made all of those books non-canon now. As far as Rouge One being not canon though I didn't hear that.  I thought they stated anything in film was considered canon.  Not quite sure why this wouldn't be canon.

No shit.  Explaining that it isn't part of the trilogy helps a lot.  Thanks y'all

Rogue One is canon. As are the animated series like Clone Wars and Rebels. Old books and comics before Disney though are not canon, which annoyed a lot of people as some books were great and certain characters no longer exist or have changed.

I actually forgot rebels and clone wars in the cannon however rogue one isn't. Kathleen Kennedy has said anything that will carry the "A Star Wars Story" will not be considered true cannon as they are more legend. Rogue One is put into that because no one (in universe) really knows what happened it's more second hand knowledge and conjecture. That's why it carries the story title. The Han Solo movie is going to be the same.
I wish I still had my emails from when I worked at Disney so you could see how they broke it down a little more clear. I guess the easiest way to put it is when you have true stories that are then turned into movies. Like how the actual story of Pocohantus is way different from the Disney movie. That's how these Star Wars Story movies are supposed to be.

Or maybe this will help as it's part of how she explained it.

"The canon that he created was the Star Wars saga. Right now, Episode VII falls within that canon. The spin-off movies, or we may come up with some other way to call those films, they exist within that vast universe that he created. "

So while being part of the same universe they aren't considered part of the cannon. I'm still up in the air about rebels and clone wars as I swear I'm the info stuff we received it said only the movies containing numbers and the scroll at the beginning would be considered the true cannon.

As for the books, they had to do clean up because there came a point where nearly every book that came out Lucas was like cannon, cannon, even though they had no continuity to them and contradicted each other.

Last edited by SennY (Fri-30-Dec-2016 18:46:23)

I just found an easier way to describe everything, and it's thanks to the Jews.

There's a Jewish tradition where you have the Torah (Old Testament) and that is basically the word. However the have a set of rabbis who go through it and try to fill in gaps. Take the story of Adam's first wife Lilith. There's just a passing reference made that God attempted to create Adam a wife who was equal but it didn't work. Nothing else is mentioned and then you have Eve made from his ribs so that woman wasn't equal to man. Now these rabbi have gone in and created an entire back story for Lillith including what happened between her and Adam and after.

That's what Rogue One is. The plans being stolen were mentioned in the cannon and then some Jedi scholars made up what probably happened.

Canon doesn't just refer to the main story, it includes all stories since Disney took over. It used to as Lucas wanted it to be just the main films, but since Disney took over anything new seems to be canon. Lucas didn't want Star Wars to be held to the Expanded Universe, Disney are linking the new stories together.

From Star Wars actual website they list everything new as being canon, including Rebels as well as mentioning what I mentioned above about Lucas.
http://www.starwars.com/news/the-legend … a-new-page

This shows the current new Star Wars canon. The only thing that surprises me is that Battlefront is classed as canon - that's one I would have thought was not since it's a game.

I'm just saying: It's moronic to release a story using a franchise label and not make it "canon". I know you guys didn't decide that, I'm just saying whoever did is a moron.

Actually that picture never came from Disney Its original source was called outer places. The web link you have just leads to an article from 2014 saying that the new movies will have nothing to do with the books.

Never said the image was official. The old books have nothing to do with it now, but the new ones do.

It's shit like this that makes me lose interest altogether. I know that may seem blasphemous...but it's just too much to care about. It's almost like a whole other Marvel multiverse but even more intricate and contradictory.